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Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Interesting pointers for move from RHEL -> Debian

Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:06:21 +0000

We interrupt the regular ramblings on this blog_service to bring to you two mails from the ilugc mailing list about why an institute lab made a move from RHEL to Debian. Original reference is here.

Ria Das: Started with localization

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:36:30 +0000

I started with localization in bengali. I started talking with Arindam about it. He made me understand the entire thing. I took a look at the entire statistics of the translated and untranslated work of bengali localization compared to others. I then had a glance of the kde localization. I will start working with kdebase localization. I did a checkout of both the translated and untranslated pages (translated ones to have them as examples). Later I talked to Runadi about it. I took help of her blog to have the entire set up in my MacBook. Arindam helped me in the entire process. It took a long time in my slow internet connection for the set up .

But finally everything is ready. I have gone through the translated pages to understand it in a better way. I have saved the keyboard layout for probhat which I will be using. Now I take some time to search a letter from the keyboard and type , so I need to practice typing in bengali. I will take help of the ankurbangla dictionary for translations.

Hope to do some good translation soon

Ria Das: Summer training @ #dgplug

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:47:45 +0000

29th June, ‘08 marks the beginning of Summer Training started at #dgplug . Now almost a week over in this training. Learned a lot of new things from all the mentors. Debarshi started with shell. Kushal made us explore the vi editor, Prasad taught us programming with C in gcc , mbuf taught us several theories in free software, Parthan cleared our wiki conept.

All classes were very helpful in total. I liked Prasad’s class the most .

Hope to learn more at the end of this month

Subhodip Biswas: who’s the bird

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:45:36 +0000

http://www.flickr.com/photos/subhodipbiswas/2636228037/ Saw this bird in a lake ..but cant remember the name ..its called Pankouri in bengali afaik ..

Kushal Das: My new hackergotchi

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:10:13 +0000

Debayan Banerjee: openSUSE and Packman mirrors

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:41:30 +0000

Last night i was on IRC chatting with yaloki alias /dev/loki on #opensuse-project and #packman. Was asking about mirror infrastructure and some related details. I told him that our LUG server has openSUSE hosted for download and also the Packman repository mirrored. He was pleasantly surprised and offered to blog about it (now i was pleasently surprised). Ofcourse, his blog was aggregated on www.planetsuse.org, and it will bring many Indian opensuse users and others to our servers, and it feels good.

Debarshi Ray: Identica

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:53:00 +0000

So I deleted my Twitter account and joined on to Indentica. Identica runs on the AGPL'ed Laconica and I am hoping Rakesh keeps his promise of packaging it for Fedora sometime soon.

Roshan Singh: Dummy post

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:51:36 +0000

Pradeepto Bhattacharya: Rains, Electricity, Nuclear Power, Bandhs

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:45:09 +0000

Its raining here like crazy since last few days though today was day off or something since it rained only "cats and dogs" today. Its nothing unusual for people living in this part of the country. We have seen this in 2005. I like many others have were in the middle of it back then in 2005. I know that my good friend Anurag just managed to escape drowning that day ( check the link and see the pics that Anurag took with his cell phone ). He took shelter at one good Samaritan's place with some others. We didn't know each other back then. I used to stay in Kandivali as a paying guest, some 15 minutes walk from my previous work place. 3 of my colleagues stayed over at my place that day since it was impossible to go back home. They even tried to go back home and managed to survive the rains and came back from Borivali station. Next day when the rains stopped ( for some definition of stopping ), me and my friends went back home. It took me some 9 hours to reach Panvel instead of 2.5 hours or such. One of my friends reached the day later since he wasn't allowed to enter his town Kalyan and took shelter in some temple or such. The story didn't end there, I came to Panvel right after the flood was over but the effects remained there to be witnessed. There were many buildings which had mud marks above their ground floor level and just below the first floor balcony lever. Imagine the rise of water level. I remember cleaning atleast 2 of my friends house along with their family. Rooms full of mud, cupboards full of mud, books, wedding gifts all soaked in muddy waters. Some of us volunteered at a relief camp at "Kali Bari" organised by Bharat Sevashram. We didn't have any electricity for next few days. Joined work exactly 1 week down then line Yes, that was back then in 26th of July 2005.

So electricity in Panvel is in a better shape than what it was few months back but still I would like to go back to 1993-2004 or even 1986-2004 ( all my years in Maharashtra ), when there was no such thing as daily power cuts. Occasional failures yes. That is why I think we need the Nuclear Agreement with USA. Because about time we solve such issues and stop relying on Oil for everything. As it is inflation at 11+% - which is at all time high in many many years is not helping at all. Solving the energy issues might help the cause a lot.

But the polical parties are busy doing politics over the whole issue and other issues as well. Some call for nationwide bandh, others just do a "rasta/rail roko andolan" and some others do something else. I know, all this will stop soonish. Its election time in few months anyway - maybe sooner thanks to the Indo/US Nuclear Deal.

Anyway, after such a grim post - expect some good news in a day or two - thanks to friends in Bangalore, Mumbai and Allahabad ;).

Amrita Mukherjee: SUMMER TRAINING

Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:35:08 +0000

Well this year I am spending the semester gap in a special way. The summer training is of great help and the trainers are sparing a lot of time in making us understand each part nicely. Gradually we progressing with the shell commands,FHS,gcc. The best part is to attend the session of Shakti Kannan, who is guiding us to develop the communication skills, providing project guidelines etc. I am looking forward to learn much more stuffs and hope to succeed at the end of the course.

Runa দিদি: Bitter Mango

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:53:15 +0000

Dear Lazyweb,

I have been stuck with a problem for quite sometime now. The new account system for getting Gnome SVN accounts - Mango - behaves a bit oddly at times. The following are the problems that I have seen happening in the past:

#1: There was no option to request an account as a Translator. It got fixed eventually.

#2: A voucher is required for a Translator, when she/he requests for an svn account. The voucher is essentially the Translation Team co-ordinator and to ensure that happens, the person requesting the account has to select the Translation Team from a dropdown menu in the New Accounts page. Sounds easy? Well not exactly, if your team is not present in the dropdown list.

#3: So up next, one has to file a bug against Mango to get the team listed.

#4: The team is not listed on the dropdown menu if the Team's coordinator does not have an account. Pretty valid. But then how does the co-ordinator request an account, if Mango is the way and the language team will not be listed until she/he actually has an account. Chicken-egg....gaah!

#5: And even if the co-ordinator does have an account, things might not be all that rosy. ( Kannada, Gujarati, Bengali-India have valid co-ordinators with existing accounts. In case of Kannada, the account stopped working for Pramod one fine day. Marathi has a somewhat similar situation.)

To be honest, I am completely frustrated. It is understandable, that with limited number of volunteer sysadmins things might run slow. However, the complaints need to be addressed some way or the other. Here in India, most of the language groups are close to each other and the problems come across too starkly.

I don't know if anyone from Gnome actually reads my mails to the mailing list (most linked above). I was really hoping that someone who could help out would read these words and do something about it. It would be much appreciated around here.

regards
Runa

Rahul Sundaram: fedorareloaded reloaded

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:30:31 +0000

I didn't realize that the Fedora podcast called Fedora reloaded has been restarted by a new group of (rather young?) folks who have already published three podcasts. Other than the initial annoying music, it is pretty interesting and newbie friendly. Take a look and offer your feedback.

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Boring at Office :(

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:05:46 +0000

Sometimes can be too boring in your office premises. The Internet access is also blocked , few of the thousand sites open :( By studying the logs of yesterday’s session just spending some time out here , today is a low work day here at office and I am not enjoying that

Waiting for the office timings to end so that I can move home and start doing my own work. Till then reading the gcc online docs in the office, Hopes this helps me to get out of Boredom.

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Points jotted down at random

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:38:32 +0000

I am not going to GUADEC (Istanbul) this time. I figured sometime early this month that I won’t be able to take in the travel bits and really do justice towards being there. Perhaps next time …
Met Matthew Szulik at FUDCon Boston. Or, just outside where FUDCon was being held #305. Wow !
Mark Cox is an interesting person to chat with
Met Max Spevack, Paul Frields (this time for real, the meeting at Westford office was a mirage ), Tom Callaway, Karsten Wade and the wonderful person called Seth Vidal. Small note exchange with Max regarding activities planned. Met Greg downstairs at the Red Hat Cool Store. Managed to miss the meeting about Fedora - Community - APAC, but I am told that it was good and FUDCon may be at foss.in this year. [Note to myself - ask foss.in organizer’s about dates and provide information as early as possible]
Ensured that I get a photograph of Jack “I can be Jim Whitehurst today” Aboutboul
Small chat with Harish about Fedora, JBoss and Community Development in APAC
Need to initiate discussion on fedora-india list about “what to do at FUDCon”
Sat through a masterfully led discussion (by Mo) on Spins. Learnt a lot about Spins and learnt most about how best to harness good grey cells when they cluster in a room.
Observed the testopia related discussion at FUDCon and for a particular reason (which would not be obvious to those who were not there the first time) it was deja vu. Felt good.
Made sure to be there at Jim’s talk at FUDCon. Interesting bunch of questions that he faced and in a somewhat loose way all were threaded into a more “what’s Red Hat planning to do now, where’s Fedora placed for you” meme. Karsten had fairly pointed questions around “what about the ISVs”
Watched first hand the sheer exuberance of the Spacewalk team and the smiles which accompanied every query related to RHN and Spacewalk. That logo is too cute for good. Mo ensured that the RHN team back at Pune have a few T-Shirts - and made doubly sure that I carried them back. Yay ! for her.
Drifted in and out of a few talks at the Summit. Interesting experience, unlike other ‘big ticket’ events one is used to.
Had a rushing-past-each-other-in-the-corridor meeting with Gayatri S from LinuxChix. Now, that was a surprise
Initial mail to GNOME Marketing India list about foss.in2008 plans in place. Next step to be an IRC meeting once bits and pieces begin to take shape. We need speakers and primarily we need someone to step up to the plate and volunteer to coordinate between mother_ship and foss.in presence.
In somewhat queer co-incidence, managed to miss meeting Sayamindu (who was at Cambridge while I was at Boston / Newton)
Hampton Inn & Suites at Westford suck big time. They have managed to charge my card over and above the billed amount for around 200 USD and it is taking them more than 15 days now to figure out the why-what-how-when_to_tell_card_company_to_reverse_charges bit. Sheesh.
On the LHR -> BOM leg of the flight, gentleman near me had 11 bottles (the small ones they hand out in British Airways) of red wine. Ahem !!
Finished reading Wikinomics, now to get hold of Patent Failure. Indiaplaza pretends they can deliver it in 16 days.
Ken Follet’s World Without End is turning out to be a not_so_fast page-turner compared to Pillars of the Earth. Ahh well !! guess that kind of novel happens once.
We (at Red Hat, Pune) are hiring Software Engineers again…
Debayan has been making progress on Indic OCR stuff

Kushal Das: Paperworks to be finished

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:18:10 +0000

Now too many paperworks left to be finished. I hate to circle these Govt. buildings everyday for them

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - Day 3

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:00:08 +0000

Day 3 saw a great start from Shakti Kannan [ irc nick - mbuf ] with his ideas really helping to guide in building effective communication skills and learn the mailing list etiquettes. I was totally impressed by the style of his teaching and loved the session. Next at 10.30 pm IST there was a class by Prasad [ _pjp_ ] , and he really carried out the class very well by which i got to learn much about the gcc including step by step procedures followed from writing a C/C++ program to getting the output of it. I missed the 1st half of the session due to unavoidable power cut and thus was quite unlucky. From today morning I followed the irclogs to get through the gcc session and I really loved it.

Day 4 started today and I will update the blog by tomorrow with its details !!

Btw, I am happy I made my Hackergotchi , will update it by tomorrow in the blog.

Kushal Das: আমি বেকার , আমি বেকার

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:13:16 +0000

কি আনন্দ আকাশে বাতাসে

আগামি কয়েকদিন আমি বেকার

Kenneth Gonsalves: blender again

lawgon@thenilgiris.com — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:47:01 +0000

my third attempt to learn blender - and looks like I'll be a guru soon. Thanks to Essential Blender which is the first really good blender resource I have come across

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Raigad with friends

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:36:49 +0000

On Saturday a few of us hired a car to visit Raigad Fort. On the way, we stopped for a bit at Mulshi Dam. We wouldn’t be meeting Aanjhan and Barkha for a while now and so, even though the day wasn’t perfect for photography, it was the day for fun. More pictures are here.

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - End of Day 2

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:35 +0000

After a bit wait it was 7.00 pm IST and time for the sessions again. Today it was Kushal’s turn to complete the rest left lectures on Vi. I got a blow from my very own BSNL Broadband when it suddenly disconnected from the Interent and then refused to connect to it again. [ BSNL has these very good feature when the weather seems bit bad the Broadband gets down ]. Neways from the morning I was reading the ‘vimtutor’ thus didn’t worry too much for Kushal’s lecture. [ I also got the summer training logs as handy ]. After that I thought there’s no other way I could connect to internet than to use a proxy to my friend’s wireless connection who lives in the other room [From that time I am in proxy only ] .

At approximately 10.45 p.m IST around Prasad [ _pjp_ is his irc nick ] started the session on using gcc compiler for compiling C programs. The session was fine but may be Prasad would have been mad by the end of the session as the World’s weirdest questions were asked to him today. He was fired from every possible angles with questions that can be so lame as a guy/girl seeing computer the first day can ask. :p [ Even there were persons who were mistaking to write ' float main(void) ' in the C program --- Seeing which I fell off the chair ]. Ne ways with such strangest doubts along, we couldn’t move far deep in to gcc, but all in all the session was interactive and good.

Due to all the timing problems Rishi’s class started much later after 45 mins than normal time at 12:45 am IST. As usual Rishi blasted off the start as he answers all the questions in the beginning only, which can come to the student’s mind later I loved Rishi’s class again, got to learn much about symbolic links and all with a firing problem to end the session by Kushal. The problem is under the scanner of all, but we had to quit the session since the clock didn’t permit us long. The time was approximately 3.00 am IST when we ended the session.

This was the end of Day 2 with good responses from large no of students. Today it was day of Weirdest Questions , Smartest Answers , Frustrated Teachers and Enthusiastic Students [ Who asked English Meanings in a 'SHELL' session ] .

I sign off as it is 4.00 am IST now and tommorow with more greatness I have office at 7.00 am IST. I don’t know how to wake up, let GOD help..

Kushal Das: Some more thoughts on fedora.co.in

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:08:23 +0000

Fedora community is something which I love to work for. Now already debarshi pointed out his opinion. I completely agree on his points. When I brought this point up, my concern was (which is still same) to keep our community’s name clean.

The owner of the domain may think it is very nice to earn money from advertisements while using the community’s goodwill and name, but it pissed us off.

I wish if I can use free() in the real world.

Kushal Das: “Fedora India” == the community

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:01:49 +0000

THIS IS AN OLD POST , PUBLISHED NOW

“Fedora India” is not a person , it is the community including all Fedora users and contributors.
Today I suddenly figured out that Kulbir Saini is using this in one of his blog. He is GSoC student this year.

We, the contributors from India have certain problems with this. Using the name “Fedora India” will give false impression to the world that this is from the community of India which is actually not. He is also using Fedora logo in his blog. And don’t forget about the google ads.

To add more spice to it here is the declaimer from the site:
“Copyright © 2008 Kulbir Saini. I am not related to Red Hat or Fedora Project. The content on this site is my own views.” Now how can be it possible that his blog is in planet Fedora and he is *not* related to Fedora Project.

As I asked this in the list, his first reply was in personal, so I replied back cc:ed to the list also. It seems he loves to reply personally .

I hope the Fedora community will help us to keep the community name clean.

Debarshi Ray: fedora.co.in

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:34:00 +0000

Recently the fedora-india list saw a raging debate on the legitimacy of Web sites like Fedora India, which try to distance themselves from the upstream project through disclaimers like:
"Copyright (c) 2008 Kulbir Saini. I am not related to Red Hat or
Fedora Project. The content on this site is my own views."
... and yet continue to use a domain and Web site name which suggest otherwise.

It all started when Kushal brought up the issue, sparking a few clarifications from the owner of the domain.

To me the issue is not about whether someone has taken permission to use the logo or not. Whether or not someone is employed by Red Hat or a part of the Fedora Project [1] also looks completely tangential to the discussion.

The point is can someone claim to use such a domain as his own personal space to write about a community supported project, when he is not even a part of the Indian Fedora community.

Can someone who is earning good money by working on Fedora [1] still claim that he is not part of i...

Indranil Das Gupta: Developing a FOSS based school ICT program outline

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:26:25 +0000

Yesterday met with Subha-di (Das Mallick of Bal Vividha) and Malini (Intel) at the meeting at the Indumati Sabhagriha at Jadavpur Vidyapeet . The occassion was to review the Master Trainers Program from Pragati which is supported by Intel and to felicitate outstanding contributors to that effort.

FWIW, Dr. Sthanapati, Director, BITM (Birla Industrial & Technology Museum, Kolkata) has proposed a series of camps with funding from Dept. of Science and Technology, Govt of WB. Comet Media Foundation will be the ICT program partner in that endeavor and as such we are supposed to be developing the program outline. The backward district of Purulia will be the pilot site.

Based on the brief discussions yesterday, there are plans to involve Pragati, Intel and others in the initiative. The deadline to get everything in place is November 2008.

So this is basically a call for help and volunteers… any takers so far?

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer training - Day 2 - #dgplug

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:09:24 +0000

Though classes not yet started , I needed something to write. Slept late at night after writing the blog post. From morning started studying may be a effect of night carried on . Trying to make my Hackergotchi soon after getting a excellent tutorial in the fedora wiki. From morning (late at 11.00 am ) started to study ‘vimtutor’ which helped me to learn lot about vim. Created my .vimrc file and soon going to implement it after today’s session of Kushal on vim. Downloaded Istanbul now, trying some layman’s screencasts, so that I can create my own soon.

Looking ahead for Day 2 @ #dgplug

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - day 1

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:35:25 +0000

Overwhelmed by the response to the summer training at #dgplug . I was really elated to see certainly the channel has around 39 members active and everybody taking part in the discussion. After I came from office drenched in rain, didn’t even think of changing and just was in front of my laptop. Just want to thank Debarshi as for a excellent session in the first half.

Thanks Kushal for the 2nd half brief introduction to Vi, liked that too. All in all today was a great start to the summer training and hopefully will continue so.

Kushal Das: So it started

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:52:16 +0000

We started the summer training today

I thought of having at most 10 students, but in time more than 30 students were present in the room. Debarshi started talking classes on simple shell commands , he was too good :) Then after dinner I took Vim class. We will continue everything tomorrow.

You can find chat logs here.

Tomorrow we will again starting from 7pm. __pjp__ will start “C programming with gcc” from tomorrow 10:30pm.

Kenneth Gonsalves: tata indicom

lawgon@thenilgiris.com — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:48:16 +0000

for some time now I have found airtel gprs insufficient both speedwise and connectivity. So I bought a tata indicom plug to surf usb modem. I will not go into all the travails of getting it activated, but it seems a good buy. Havent tried on linux yet, but works practically out of the box with OSX. It just uses the verizon support driver. Phone no: #777, username: internet, password: internet. Internet connect shows speed of 230400 bps

Kushal Das: Converting videos

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:10:11 +0000

From mpeg to flv:
ffmpeg -i infile.mpeg -deinterlace -ar 44100 -r 25 -qmin 3 -qmax 6 outfile.flv

From ogg to flv:
ffmpeg -i yum.ogg -b 384000 -pass 1 yum.flv

Indranil Das Gupta: A meeting with Nick Negroponte

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:24:48 +0000

Amit (Gogna) called me up today to say that Prof. Negroponte will be coming to India in the 1st week of August and that Reliance Communications (ADAG) will be setting up video conferencing around the country on matters of the little green laptop. He has asked me to send him a list of names of the people who can make a difference with the OLPC project in this part of the country.

I’m looking forward to the event to see where OLPC goes from here on.

On a related note, yesterday Kushal had punched in the panic buttons saying the Bijra School’s LTSP system was not working, so I had asked Subhodip and Arindam to do a site visit today and fix the problem. They reported back that it was a dusty and loosely seated RAM problem on the server, which they managed to fix.

Which reminds me that we need to hold a fresh re-orientation workshop at the school soon.

Runa দিদি

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:32:22 +0000

(Since, I would be writing a bit more in response to the comments on my earlier post, I decided to make it into another post.)

Thanks Chris for dropping by. I hope to make it clear that I do not intend to point fingers at individuals, but rather the overall scheme of things where more often than not, the results take a backseat - much like red-tapism.

"Selection of locale specific search engine plugins, RSS feeds and services is a key part of trying to give that kind of good experience and I've been a big proponent of trying to make sure that we don't just have en-US selections in the UI of the locale versions. That doesn't serve the best interest of the user, but it does create some tough work for the localization teams. Some teams love this ability to customize the browser to their locale, and some find this extra work tiresome. Where we can find people that want to get involved with the research to find the top search engines and services we definitely want to try and add them as contributors to the localization teams to help distribute the work load. "

Regarding the above statement, I remember exchanging notes with Axel during Foss.in last year (a good 2 hours, he was kind enough to spare). Especially, about the fact that the standard productization process seems to go through lots of bends. For each language. Given the headstart a few languages had gotten, a natural assumption for l10n volunteers is that the processes would be streamlined into segmented divisions over the course of time. e.g. Pooling of alternatives for indic languages, which would probably share a few resources due to their geographical relevance (RSS feeds, start pages, searchplugins etc.). Re-inventing the wheel in this case is a (re)research overhead for all parties involved. e.g. the amount of time Mic spent chasing up rediff.com for their consent for bn-IN, would be spent again for another language. Instead, if approval for all Indian languages is gained from these Indian websites at one go, all other languages could simply walk-through the process. Same for the earlier mentioned leg-work regarding the First-Run pages. Imho, not too many language groups share such a huge geographical boundary and web-presence. But we do and perhaps merit a somewhat customized localization process. I have been waiting for the FFx2 productization process to reach its end, so that I can collate all the steps that I have completed and create a documentation (checklist with pointers), for other localization teams. Especially, the parts regarding the India-specific bits.

I do not intend to be given leeway by unexplained choices for an under-baked product. Rather I'd like to see things done with precision - from both ends - to be assured of a product cured of basic failings. I do agree in a way with Axel when he says - "The right thing is to get users a sustained on-line life with mozilla, the wrong thing is to make marks on the wall and just count languages."

"On-life sustenance" comes from the fact that the basic foundation of the product is strong enough to withstand the expectations from users. What those expectations can be is a matter of homework in the right direction. Marks on the wall always look good, but are not always in the deepest shade.

Secondly, about the messaging. I would agree that restricting the press coverage is not an option. However, correct packaging of the message is important. That is what I intended to convey. From my personal experience of having to explain how-open-source-projects-work, to various audience levels, I can say that the analogy to be used, differs widely. Mainstream media, to most extent do not understand the concept of "volunteer-driven-open-source-projects". Its a shade of gray, that does not belong to their black and white world. Passion-driven projects are the ones equated with NGOs or hobbyist groups (intended without a commercial motive). Hence, relative circumstances would probably play a huge part in customization of the jargon.

Thanks Seth for your comment and post. A review of the team standings and itemizing of issues would certainly help. Especially, if the flags can be identified and raised from the past experiences.

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Mozilla L10n, perfection and different results …

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:03:06 +0000

Seth Bindernagel points to the list thread which asks about “how Mozilla chooses languages to ship”. He goes on to write “The Mozilla process is not perfect, but we hold high standards of perfection. We choose to ship our official, non language-pack locales only when they are ready as a bug-free experience for the end-user.”

The Bengali (India) or bn_IN locale has seen some aspects of the drive for perfection. These are amply documented at bug 398992. If one trawls through the length of that particular bug the aspect that would stand out is the particular attention has gone towards ensuring that as much as possible local language / culture references are taken care of. In some aspects, sites were painstakingly asked about whether they would like to be listed, contacts from the Indian versions of the sites repeatedly poked to ACK their presence. Needless to say, bn_IN isn’t part of the shipped set of languages for Firefox 3. It is partly due to the process phase where one has to productize it for FF2 and then only move on to FF3. And we have been stuck at FF2 for ages now.
In fact, this blog shows that the FF3 downloads of international locales doesn’t have any significant amount of Indic locale downloads. Would this piece of statistic have an impact on Mozilla’s focus and attention to detail when it comes to Indic locales ? I really don’t know. And, would appreciate a straight answer.

However, I see this comment and without a response from Mozilla I am inclined to infer that the drive for perfection is not universal across locales. For bn_IN I am sure that both Runa and me would have liked to have this choice. And it was the team at Mozilla who should have informed of this choice being available.

Rahul Sundaram: Posters

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:25:00 +0000

It is just me or is the openSUSE posters distinctly similar to the Fedora posters from Mo? Not that I am complaining, mind you. Just amused.

Kushal Das: My .vimrc file

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:48:49 +0000

Here is the current version

set nocompatible
set et
set ai
set sw=4
set ts=8
set si
set nu
set is
set ic
set sm
set sta
syn on
set backspace=indent,eol,start
set hlsearch
set ruler
set nobackup
set nowritebackup
au FileType make set noet

Now tell me some more cool settings I can add here.

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Is it really about motivation ?

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:35:19 +0000

A recent article in a newspaper has Chris Hofmann stating something along the lines of that the absence of any Indic language other than Gujarati and Punjabi from Firefox3 was due to the lack of “motivated” volunteers. Runa has a blog entry responding (in part) to that.

I met Chris during foss.in last year and have been interacting sporadically on mail since then on. He comes across as a person who “gets it” where “it” being the notion of collaborating within a process towards producing open source software. However, this time he did make a broad sweep at existing Indic communities and comes across as extremely rude.

The first point that would be important to note is that across various Free and Open Source Software Projects, the Indic language communities are fairly robust. So, when it comes to Firefox, the stats provided by Gervase are slightly odd. Attempting to reach out to the largest segment of language consumption communities makes sense for a web browser project since it is an artifact of immediate and visible consumption. The discussion around the stats can be found here, here and here. There is a side note from Axel who states that [he is] “generally skeptical on recruiting localization teams. To me, users benefit from a growing community, and they get hardly anything from a one-time effort”

The second point is that a large number of projects tend to fall into the box of being too much interested in localisation and not much in anything else. With the number of constitutionally accepted languages in India, it does make for a great case for herding a diverse set of cats and getting UI bits in the local language. The paradox here is that L10n is just not string crunching. A large segment of the languages have no existing equivalent terms for the technical jargon. Thus, the volunteers-translators-language_maintainers have to be careful in choosing words that convey the essence or, in some cases coming up with words that make sense. This work also includes paying close attention to branding and trademark issues (most of the FOSS trademarks are non existent in the local language) as well as ensuring a consistency of translations across teams working on various modules. If it were mere crunching of strings, theoretically it could be done by machine translations or a translation memory system too.

L10n is thus not merely translation but generation of content. And it is this content that determines how successful a FOSS project / product would be for the language communities. However, L10n is a finite state of affairs. Teams can work with focus and incrementally attain 100% localization after which it turns into a sustenance phase of translation. The projects have to figure out a way of “what next” and start putting stakes in the ground towards doing that. This is the exact place where I don’t see Mozilla or OpenOffice.org put in much work in India. Translation is a beginning towards getting (what_is_called) traction and then one has to build onto that into bigger things. A common thread of complaint that was around from foss.in last year was that the Project Days had a “condescending” approach during the presentations. A part of this can be traced to the lack of will and / or enthusiasm in getting beyond L10n into larger areas of contribution into the core of the projects.

It isn’t always the motiviation of the volunteers that cause languages to slip. Most of the time it is how the project treats its contributors. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.

Indranil Das Gupta: Elephant Rentals and why I hate bollywood!!!!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:58:18 +0000

Dear Lazyweb,

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS *SO* NOT MY IDEA!!!!

Today, Ms. Robbin Wilber (potentially my future mom-in-law) demanded that I find out about the cost of renting a trained Indian Elephant for the purpose of wedding that is likely to be held in Kolkata sometime next year (2009), with everything else remaining equal.

The aforementioned elephant should be trained to carry both the groom and the bride to the wedding reception, should not smell too bad and the elephant agency should preferably accept American credit cards. Those were her stipulations. If any one has an idea about elephant rentals, please drop a line of comment.

Apparently its the Bollywood movies that has done this harm. Arghhhhh!!!! I’m wordering if I can get out of this one by saying that we have a Pre-nuptial Agreement which stipulates “NO ELEPHANTS”

Thanks
-IDG

PS. I do not know what it is about Americans and Indian elephants… if someone does please leave a comment to enlighten me.

Kushal Das: Can you identify the kids !!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:18:18 +0000

I hope McGiwer is happy now Took some time to find it though
and yes, may be some special gift if you can tell whose idea it was :p

Two other shots,

Runa দিদি: Motivation is not always the keyword

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:19:17 +0000

A recent article published in a leading daily here in India touched quite a few raw nerves. Besides talking about the presence of the Gujarati and Punjabi localized versions of Firefox in its latest version, the article somewhat prominently highlights the absence of quite a few other languages due to "a lack of motivation". Needless to say, there was quite a flutter amongst the volunteer-driven localization communities, who were quick to exchange notes on various mailing lists. So much so, that Chris Hofmann had to come forward with his apologies. Given all the hullaballoo, even I wanted to add my 2 paisa to the entire episode, in my own way.

First up, its important to understand how the Firefox Localization process works. It is rather different from most other localization projects and can pose quite a challenge even for old-hats. I shall try to summarize it, in the best way I can.

During the process of Firefox localization, two variants of localized components would surface:

A Language Pack: - This is essentially the translations of the user interface messages and can be downloaded as an add-on. In essence, it is like an additional appendage for the Firefox version that one is running.

An Official Build: These would be the translations+extra components (like the translations for the various default pages displayed by Firefox), which would be shipped as part and parcel of a Firefox release. ie. (using a similar analogy as earlier), it is like an arm that is part of the body since birth.

Each language shipped with Firefox, goes from the "Language Pack" stage to the "Official Build" stage in a phased manner. Unlike other translation projects (e.g. Gnome, Fedora), a new language is not included for the offical development version rightaway. Rather, one has to first work on the previously released stable version (so for Firefox 3, one needs to get the Firefox 2 source), complete all the translation and other tidbits, and only then would a language be accepted as official or as its called "productized".

This is where most of the fun starts. The tidbits include quite a few default pages for Firefox (Complete List is here). The pages are in English and provide the templates for the localized versions. Yet, while translating one has to ensure that the local effects are maintained. For eg. The FireFox First-Run page. Notice the links to "Hype Machine" and "Yelp". Now try figuring out the Indian equivalent for each of them. Yelp could be mapped to burrp.com. But after hunting all over the place for something similar to Hype Machine, finally it was decided to go with an internet Radio station instead. Enter RadioVeRVe. Same goes for search plugins etc. These bits and pieces of the productization part is tracked and submitted through various bugs, which are handled by different Mozilla Developers. I have been working on the Bengali India productization for quite sometime now. Bug id - 398992. As mentioned earlier its a Firefox 2 productization bug and there has been quite a bit of back-and-forth action on the bugs. There is a bug for Firefox 3 as well, but it would only come into effect once the Firefox 2 productization is complete. Bug id - 415575. So it might be a while before all the nitty gritties are worked out and issues finally ironed out. Since Rajesh and I have been closely working with each other, it is quite understandable why the newspaper article came as a mighty blow to him.

However, what I do find disturbing is the nonchalance on the part of the mainstream media before making such blanket comments. Little knowledge is always a bad thing. Especially in matters like community driven projects, which are to this day an unfamiliar or at best a hazy idea for most people watching things from outside the perimeter of the action. Perhaps it might have helped, if credentials of the commentator could have been judged prior to the interview, so that the messaging would have been drafted in a comprehensible format of the audience. Damage control measures are not always a way out. As are not single points of coordination and failures.

The Indian community of Localization volunteers are probably one of the most closely knit group of people. With a common culture and geographic proximity that bonds us at a personal level, friendships have been forged, experiences shared and help is always at hand. More than anything, its personal for us. Very very personal and its about time people understand it.

The Complete process of making an Official Firefox Build.

Amrita Mukherjee: LEISURE TIME

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:33:54 +0000

Well as my exams are over now I can fully utilize this time in upgrading myself with new topics regarding programming. I am also looking forward towards the summer training which will be starting around 28 of this month.

Kushal Das: Current status of the summer training programme from dgplug

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:06:07 +0000

Couple of days back I wrote about the Summer training programme from dgplug.

We got a pretty good response from the students, also few guys applied who are working in big MNC(s). The current list of the students:

* Amit Daga
* Amrita Mukherjee
* Aritra Bose
* Arpita Kapoor
* Bappy Modak
* Biswas Parajuli
* Chikan Banerjee
* Debashri Banerjee
* Deepak Kumar
* Harsh Verma
* Kishan Goyal
* Kumarjit Sen
* Mitesh Sharma
* Muralidhar Kamidi
* Partha Chowdhury
* Pramit Roychowdhury
* Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury
* Ratnadeep Debnath
* Ravi Jha
* Ria Das
* Rishi Kanth Alapati
* Roshan Kumar singh
* Rumpa Dey
* Samarjit Adhikari
* Sandeep Kumar
* Sayan Chakrabarti
* Shreyank Gupta
* Soumya
* Souvik Ray
* Srinwantu Dey
* Sumit Chakraborty
* Sunny Sharma
* Sushil Pandey
* T. Vignesh Prabhu
* Tanmaya Tewari
* Tanumoy Ghatak

You can find the course details here, the current plan is to have regular IRC based classes, plus long sessions on the weekends. Mbuf is going to start the course, he is going to discuss “Communication skills”, “Free Software project guidelines”, “Code cross-referencing tools”. Hobbes agreed to take classes on Basic system administration. Svn will be taught by Pradeepto. Pjp agreed to go for “Basics of C programming using gcc”, I am planning to take classes on Python if no one else comes up.
But still we are missing guides for Vi and Wiki and all advance topics. I am asking help for volunteers to teach these tools.
Classes are supposed to be of around 1-2 hour and alternative days (but all depends on trainer) in the night time in India (GMT + 5:30) over irc at #dgplug on freenode.
At the end of the basic course, we are going to push the students to different FOSS projects on work on, may be starting with filling bug reports, sending patches, or documentation help. To all project developers/maintainers , if you want to get these newbies join your project, please come and give inspiration. Please mail me (kushal AT fedoraproject DOT org) so that I can arrange the schedule on irc.
This is first time we are doing this ,thinking that this will help both the students and the community (to get them in the community)

I am looking forward for comments.

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: BOS -> LHR -> BOM -> PNQ

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:54:59 +0000

Back $HOME.

FUDCon was a nice experience. Especially meeting up with a few nicks from IRC and the names in “From:”. More to come later. For now, here’s a picture

more to be found at this place.

Debarshi Ray: A ballpoint pen

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:27:00 +0000

"... How can a ballpoint pen fight with a gun?" -- Robert Mugabe

Debayan Banerjee: Training Tesseract

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:46:16 +0000

After many days, i uploaded some new stuff at http://code.google.com/p/tesseractindic/. The Bengali OCR is finally working! Results are not that good yet… but it IS working. Have to train more and imporve the maatraa clipping code.

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: A Great Day

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:53:35 +0000

I installed F9 on my box on the 2nd day of its release. All was fine and I was happy using the new F. I use a ACER 4520 lappy. There was 3 major problems i faced till yesterday, and all of them got solved yesterday only

1) Configuring my Atheros wifi card

Go to the path /etc/yum.repos.d and in that open livna-testing.repo (you should have livna installed in your box before) [madwifi drivers for f9 is still not available in livna repository]

vi livna-testing.repo

The first enabled string you notice there make it equal to 1

Save and exit the file

Run the command

su -c "yum install madwifi kmod-madwifi"

After this two gets installed you add the following lines of code to /etc/modprobe.conf as root
## Start Atheros Stuff alias wifi0 ath_pci alias ath0 ath_pci options ath_pci autocreate=sta ## End Atheros Stuff

After you are done with reboot your box

su -c "system-config-network"

to manually configure it. (Though it should be already done after reboot)

Happy wifing ….. [Just make the enabled string of livna-testing.repo as 0 after configuring the wifi card]

2) Configuring my Nvidia GeForce 7000m in F9

It was lot more easier the earlier one

just run the command

su -c 'yum install kmod-nvidia'

Restart the X-server

Then hooray you are done with the configuration of Graphics card. Njoy !!

3) Tapping working in my lappy’s touchpad

Download the latest Synaptics driver from

Download from here

Install the rpm package by

su -c 'rpm-Uvh synaptics-0.14.6-8.1.fc9.i386.rpm'

Reboot the box after installing….Hooray again…tapping works..!!

Indranil Das Gupta: thanks to all our friends

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:42:50 +0000

for standing by both of us… and being so much of support… dunno what we would have done without you guys!!!

thanks again guys… it means a lot to both of us!

Debayan Banerjee: Russia rocks man!!

Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:42:24 +0000

Russia defeated Holland by 3 goals to 1 in the quarterfinals of the Euro Cup. Russia thoroughly outplayed Holland right from the first minute. I supported Holland from day 0, and it did feel bad to see them lose so badly. But hail Russia!

Gus Hiddink is a master tactician. The raw burst of energy in Russian frontline was too much for the ageing Holland defense. After having seen Russia’s demolition of Sweden in the last game, i was uncomfortable with the notion of Russia facing Holland, as i told Anish in the afternoon of the day of the match.

Holland peaked too soon, and they dint deserve to win. I support the nest best team now… RUSSIA!!

Kushal Das: My last trip to Durgapur, visit to doctor, Fedora install fest, talks

Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:15:43 +0000

At last I am writing on my last trip to West Bengal, my home land. Was planning for the trip for quite a time as hand condition never looked cool.

First, after reaching Kolkata I visited the doctor. He checked my right arm and said it is improving and as I am not feeling anything or feeling too many things in my right arm , he asked me to wait for couple of years But most of the conversation with him went on “whether a girl with computer engineering degree is good as daughter-in-law or not”, I think he is thinking a lot on that :p

Reached home on Saturday night 9 o clock. Again got up early next day morning and came back to Kolkata, after spending 2 days returned to Durgapur on Tuesday in a early morning bus. Directly went to my college, where I started talking with the juniors. The talks went as every time it did previously. Started explaining with what is GNU/Linux, what is Fedora to what is Free Software. Told them about various opportunities they can get while working on different projects. I saw little bit more interest this time than last time, dgplug poster was a clear hit So decided to do a Fedora install fest next day. As a lug our target is always to spread Linux, so directly installing it to the newbies’ systems and fixing the problems they might get was a target this time. I took all updated RPMs from my lappy and desktop with me from Bangalore , Internet connection was/is the biggest problem with the students there. So , I distributed (actually was burning them) a DVD with a local repo full with my RPMs. I got many games and useful software there. After the collage ended I went to the local computer shop (same shop I use from 2001) to fix my broken desktop. It is P -IV box with 1GB RAM. Around 8pm at night I started feeling problems, fever came very fast with food poisoning and I skipped lunch in the afternoon as I was busy in talking with the students. Came back home around 10 at night, the first thing my father told me was not to go to Durgapur next day and to take some rest. But as I gave my word to those students I had to go. I believe the local coordinators are still missing the enthusiasm to do these kind of meetings. Took medicine and went to bed half dead

Next day morning was feeling far better than last night. Reached durgapur around 12. Started installations at around 1.30. We all were in a class room, around 4-5 laptops were present . Installations went very smooth. While doing installations I kept talking on various points to them. The students also asked many questions. Showed them python After the installations they learned how to use yum. They copied my local repo and also burned it so that they can give them to their friends. I tried to make the event less formal , tried to make connections personally with these guys as they have the capabilities to become potential contributors. I found having the personal touch with the students really help to convert them into active contributors from simple users. It was a very nice experience After everything finished, went back home. My home/village is around 1.5hours aways from the city of Durgapur.

Last 2 days I spent to present some introductory talks in NITDGP or BCET. You can read more about that here.

Debayan Banerjee: It makes me mad….

Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:13:14 +0000

I spent three years in NIT Durgapur. People do what not to ensure a good career. Its great if they work hard and achieve glory… or simply achieve (as in poetry). Thanks to our new director, Dr. Swapan Bhattacharya, higher education/GRE has become very popular now. Its for the creme-de-la-creme (or so it was supposed to be).

It has surprised me how easy it is to plagiarise/cheat your way into institutions/scholarships/fellowships. And what more irritating, is that these people go ahead and boast about it. They write bullshit project ideas… which get accepted, and then they end up not being able to do it, but write in their CVs, and they even get stipends. i know people who have 10 “published” papers, and i know which papers they have been copy pasted from. When the time comes to select people to represent the institution, they will be selected, coz they did “research”, and ya its hard work, but no more than a thief works hard to find a house to steal from.

And in this mad stealing frenzy, where plagiarism obfuscation seems to be the skill GRE is looking for, its painful to see genuine people languishing, coding, doing actual original stuff.

So if you are a new college undergrad student in India, thinking of GRE, forget intelligence… start foot-licking your professors, and learn how to plagiarise properly.

But if you are a genuine person, and plagiarism is not your style, there is another way, the open source way. Join an open source project that belongs to your area of interest. Garner knowledge+popularity in a worldwide community, and prove permanently that your word holds good. As I see it, good people have only this choice left to counter these shameless plagiarists. Hell the day i get mad enuff, i will start exposing people.

I am cool now. Blogging is great!!

Debayan Banerjee: gdb :)

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:59:30 +0000

Thanx to GNU debugger, the seg faults have been solved, and it finally worked. I finally saw Bengali text being recognised from an image. Yesssss!!

Runa দিদি

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:30:23 +0000

Looks like there would be lots of stories for me when sankarshan returns :D

Debayan Banerjee: Going nuts

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:01:03 +0000

I have been trying to train Tesseract for the last 3 days. I thought this would be the simplest step, coz it is very well documented. To my misery, i have been getting seg faults left right and center, and it is driving me nuts. I hope i can get it dine today, so that it is finally usable.

Kushal Das: I hate to be sick :(

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:44:22 +0000

Still I love to eat a lot

Runa দিদি: More than a fair share?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:48:21 +0000

Since the newspaper did not arrive this morning, I was trying to catch bits of the news on the television instead. While channel surfing I came across the Ellen Degeneres Show, and since there seemed to be some sort of cooking experiment going on, I decided to watch it. So Heidi Klum was making some sort of German meat-balls (kofta kind of stuff) and she was making quite a large number of them so that everyone in the studio gets to taste. Anyways, it was'nt all that interesting for me and I was about to switch channels when something bizzare happened. These two ladies started throwing the meat-balls at the audience! It was disgusting to say the least. I have never seen such disrespect for food. Also, the idea of throwing cooked koftas at people, when you intend to offer it to them (normally, on a plate/dish) for tasting, is a culture shock. Needless to say, most of the food ended up splattered on the floor or on people.

When it comes to matters about food/water/money, I am extremely cautious to ensure that there is nil-minimum wastage. These are extremely precious and there are lots of people out there who have to face huge hardhips to earn their fair share of them.

Watch the video and decide for yourself.

Runa দিদি: Lazy Saturday and the LC Meet in Pune

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:16:59 +0000

Woke up at 11 in the morning (after dad called). It was very windy outside and the doors kept banging shut. Half-dozing, managed to reach the SICSR for the Linuxchix Pune meet. A nice one and half hour of brainstorming and we have come up with an event for July 5th. A Python+Apache, hands on session. Also, Shubhra had a nice idea about putting together a 2-3 member team, who would be collating information about the insitutes where we might be able to conduct sessions (e.g. identify institutes and points of contact, do background check of the audience profile etc.). Shubhra and Smriti have volunteered to take on the role for now. The gory details from the meet would be posted by Shruti later.

All the girls were wearing sarees (and looking gorgeous), as they had to attend a lecture at 6 PM and formal attire was mandatory. They even roped in their Head of Department for the meet.

Was caught in the rain, while returning home. Its still raining and the temperature has dropped a few notches.

Debayan Banerjee: Holland 4-1 France

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:39:12 +0000

My only fear is that Holland may become complacent. Otherwise, they are going to lift the Euro Cup. Man of the Tournament= Arjen Robben.

Indranil Das Gupta: The ultimate insult or visual oxymoron… ?

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:27:03 +0000

The photo of a FOSS geek wearing a GNOME t-shirt as a wallpaper on a MSFT Windows Vista Desktop…. such is life…

Debayan Banerjee: skew~de-skew… ufffff

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:19:54 +0000

I have been working on adding Indic script support to the Tesseract OCR engine since the last 2 weeks or so. I have maintained a more or less detailed log of progress made so far at http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract .

On Mr. Sankarshan’s advice, (who btw is mentoring me), i did start a developers account at code.google.com. Hence i will soon start using the hosting space @ http://code.google.com/p/tesseractindic/ properly, till my patches get accepted by Tesseract maintainers.

The key to the project was the maatraa clipping code. But for maatraa clipping to work, the page image must be absolutely straight, ie, there must be no skew. Hence i set out writing the code for finding the skew angle of a page, and then de-skewing it. I ultimately did manage something on my own, but the results are less than satisfying.

On Googling, i found that there many research papers on how to find skew angles of scanned images, but no code. Almost all use Hough transforms. I did not have the time or the patience to understand it in detail. Will do it later though. Hence i thought up an algorithm on my own, which is not that roust, but works for most images.

The de-skewing part was relatively easier. I had originally imagined just the opposite though.

Well, it was tough, but had fun. Will have to study/understand/implement Hough transforms for this as well as de-italicising the image later. For now, will live with this and will assume that the images are not skewed and will proceed to train the engine with Bengali fonts. This step will finally make it usable.

Will now go ahead and update the details.

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: The elections have begun

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:10:46 +0000

On what seems to be turning into a nice day at BOS, I had stuffed myself with a nice breakfast, brewed a cup of awesomely robust coffee and voted. There are a lot of fine folks from Fedora land who are in the fray and if you have a FAS account - you should vote.

Runa দিদি: IRC nicks and LC Meet in Pune

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:12:38 +0000

Since sankarshan has gone out of town, its been pretty quiet around the house these days. To build up the noise levels, I have been watching movies from our collection. Started with the first part of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Well, the film series has been much talked about, so no point going all over it again. What I can say though is - too many familiar irc nicks are around. :D

A plane takes off from Heathrow - picture by Sankarshan

On a serious note, LinuxChix India - Pune group is meeting up this weekend for a CityMeet.

Date: 14th June (Saturday)

Time: 4 PM

Place: Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research (The place where the Pune LUG meets happen)

Smriti, from SICSR has been co-ordinating this meet and has done a great job so far to put everything together. See you there.

Kushal Das: A morning with inodes :)

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:38:20 +0000

Spent most of the morning with inodes, also looked into stat , and hard , soft links.

Planet dgplug

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Interesting pointers for move from RHEL -> Debian

Ria Das: Started with localization

Ria Das: Summer training @ #dgplug

Subhodip Biswas: who’s the bird

Kushal Das: My new hackergotchi

Debayan Banerjee: openSUSE and Packman mirrors

Debarshi Ray: Identica

Roshan Singh: Dummy post

Pradeepto Bhattacharya: Rains, Electricity, Nuclear Power, Bandhs

Amrita Mukherjee: SUMMER TRAINING

Runa দিদি: Bitter Mango

Rahul Sundaram: fedorareloaded reloaded

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Boring at Office :(

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Points jotted down at random

Kushal Das: Paperworks to be finished

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - Day 3

Kushal Das: আমি বেকার , আমি বেকার

Kenneth Gonsalves: blender again

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Raigad with friends

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - End of Day 2

Kushal Das: Some more thoughts on fedora.co.in

Kushal Das: “Fedora India” == the community

Debarshi Ray: fedora.co.in

Indranil Das Gupta: Developing a FOSS based school ICT program outline

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer training - Day 2 - #dgplug

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: Summer Training - #dgplug - day 1

Kushal Das: So it started

Kenneth Gonsalves: tata indicom

Kushal Das: Converting videos

Indranil Das Gupta: A meeting with Nick Negroponte

Runa দিদি

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Mozilla L10n, perfection and different results …

Rahul Sundaram: Posters

Kushal Das: My .vimrc file

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: Is it really about motivation ?

Indranil Das Gupta: Elephant Rentals and why I *hate* bollywood!!!!

Kushal Das: Can you identify the kids !!

Runa দিদি: Motivation is not always the keyword

Amrita Mukherjee: LEISURE TIME

Kushal Das: Current status of the summer training programme from dgplug

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: BOS -> LHR -> BOM -> PNQ

Debarshi Ray: A ballpoint pen

Debayan Banerjee: Training Tesseract

Soumya Kanti Chakraborty: A Great Day

Indranil Das Gupta: thanks to all our friends

Debayan Banerjee: Russia rocks man!!

Kushal Das: My last trip to Durgapur, visit to doctor, Fedora install fest, talks

Debayan Banerjee: It makes me mad….

Debayan Banerjee: gdb :)

Runa দিদি

Debayan Banerjee: Going nuts

Kushal Das: I hate to be sick :(

Runa দিদি: More than a fair share?

Runa দিদি: Lazy Saturday and the LC Meet in Pune

Debayan Banerjee: Holland 4-1 France

Indranil Das Gupta: The ultimate insult or visual oxymoron… ?

Debayan Banerjee: skew~de-skew… ufffff

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay: The elections have begun

Runa দিদি: IRC nicks and LC Meet in Pune

Kushal Das: A morning with inodes :)

Indranil Das Gupta: Elephant Rentals and why I hate bollywood!!!!